Information Responses to Karin Hilgersom’s Email – 3/17/04

The following are summarized responses:

1. What college do you represent, and does your college offer a college in the high school program? Where do you "house" the program? (what department or division)

• Courses must be approve/supported by their academic departments. The "program" is overseen by my office (Transfer and Pre-college Education).- Highline Community College
• Dean of Arts & Sciences – Big Bend Community College
• We have what is essentially a College in the High School program; however, it is limited to technical courses that then do transfer to Bates towards the corresponding Associates Degree. Beyond that, the credits do not transfer although competencies may allow for credit in similar programs elsewhere. We have a technical high school program at the main campus under the Associate Director for Academics who oversees both programs.– Bates Technical College
• BCC has CHS; was one of the first in the state to offer. Even though my time will be short at the spring A&TG, we should talk; too much detail for email. We could also talk via phone; I have answers for all of your questions.– Bellevue Community College
• We are not currently running a CHS program. We have done a class here and there upon demand. We are running an Early College Institute at Enumclaw High School. The program resides in the office of Director of Education Support Services which is an instructional position reporting to the Executive Vice President. The college is in complete control of the course. We do offer these courses at our extension site and the high school busses the students to this central place or they provide their own transportation. We will expand this to a second cohort in the fall. We use the state board guidelines and the ICRC guidelines.– Green River Community College
• The program is housed in whatever instructional area has oversight for that discipline. Science has responsibility for the one existing chemistry course. Student Services processes the contract each year between TCC and the school district.– Tacoma Community College
• Liberal Arts and Sciences.– Wenatchee Valley College
• There were CIHS classes for a while, but the difficulties in having clearly qualified faculty and any accountability for the teaching became more politically cumbersome than effective. We’re offering none now to my knowledge (our Running Start program is, by contrast, a huge success). It seems to be a desirable thing to do in some quarters, but the faculty raise valid concerns. The payment and contractual information involved was from a time before I arrived, so I’m little help there.– Clark College
• Yes, we have a CHS program and it is administered through the Continuing Education department.– Everett Community College

2. How are enrollments doing in this program, and in general what are the costs/revenues associated with the program? Is your program expanding or on the decline?

• Enrollments are declining. Haven’t offered anything, in fact, for a year or so. Previously, a couple courses per year, tops. Revenues were, at best, modest.- Highline Community College
• The only costs associated are time and effort to generate and manage the contracts we draw-up between us and the districts and the registration offices time and effort to enroll the students. The program is pretty stable right now.- Big Bend Community College
• The high schools manage enrollments and numbers are good. Program areas include electronics, computer networking, automotive.– Bates Technical College
• It’s stable. We do the one chemistry course every year (Intro to Organic Chem). We charge the students $40 per credit. Originally, that was distributed 1/3 to the high school teacher, 1/3 to the supervising college faculty and 1/3 to the college. We changed after a few years to remove the payment to the high school teacher (the school wasn’t passing it through to the instructor anyway) and the college now keeps 2/3.- Tacoma Community College
• Consistent. Wenatchee High School has 15 – 20 students per class. Outlying high schools much smaller enrollment. Increased high school interest, accompanied by increased college faculty resistance.- Wenatchee Valley College
• We offer only two courses in the high school Math 124 an 125. We average about ten students in this sequence. 124 is offered usually in the Fall or Winter Quarter and 125 is offered in the Spring with the same cohort of students who took the 124.– Shoreline Community College
• When we ran the financials, we found that with CHS and Running Start models, we made about the same amount of money at the college level. It was more beneficial for the students to run it as a RS model. We gave the high school the option and that is what they chose.– Green River Community College
• In the 2002-2003 year, we have an increase in enrollments of 55% and about the same % for the # of sections offered. This was due to increased outreach and marketing efforts. We charge the student $160.00 for a 5-credit course. We plan to increase this to $170.00 for the 2004-05 year. Of the $160, $40 per student is paid to the high school teacher and $40 is paid to the college faculty "mentor." Program is definitely expanding.– Everett Community College

3. Does you college typically issue the contract to the instructor? If not, how is "quality" ensured and "supervised"?

• The high school bears the cost of the high school instructor’s salary. We issue a $500.00 stipend to rationalize making him/her a part of the "department". The sponsoring department oversees the curriculum and the instructor. In exchange, the department gets $40/student that can be used as the department sees fit (stipend, materials, travel). – Highline Community College
• No contract is issued to the instructor. The district must allow the instructor to have the class as part of his/her load. Thus, the district pays for the instructional costs. The students pay for their books. Quality is ensured as we require the HS instructor to adhere to the same hiring/screening policies and student and peer evaluation process as is required of all adjunct faculty. Additionally, we require that the HS faculty meet with the department chair before they ever teach.– Big Bend Community College
• Bates actually contracts with the high school to teach the course. The instructor has a vocational teaching certificate issued at Bates and is a Bates faculty member. We do not collect any money from the students. In this regard, it is more like a Running Start arrangement.– Bates Technical College
• Not sure if you mean college instructor or high school instructor. We issue a contract to the college instructor for the supervision. We have no direct contractual relationship with the HS instructor. Our contract is with the HS district. A FT TCC faculty is charged each quarter offered to supervise and ensure quality.– Tacoma Community College
• College "partner instructor" and dean monitor the high school adherence to the agreement to follow the college course outline.– Wenatchee Valley College
• See attached agreement with Shoreline School District and our agreement with the University of Washington.– Shoreline Community College
• The school district, high school teacher, and mentor all sign a contract. The mentor initially reviews the course content and text to ensure that the course is college level and is equivalent to a course on our AAS transfer degree. The mentor is required to have at least one face-to-face meeting with the high school teacher each year. The high school teacher is evaluated (using our regular faculty eval too) the first term they teach and every fourth term thereafter.-Everett Community College
4. How well do the college in the high school credits transfer as community college credit toward an AA degree, or as a university GUP



• There is nothing on the transcript to differentiate these courses from any other transfer course (we follow ICRC guidelines for CHS).– Highline Community College

• Same as our other classes.– Big Bend Community College
• We have what is essentially a College in the High School program; however, it is limited to technical courses that then do transfer to Bates towards the corresponding associates degree. Beyond that, the credits do not transfer although competencies may allow for credit in similar programs elsewhere.– Bates Technical College
• We offer students two AA Degree courses each quarter, they take 3-4 additional high school courses.- Green River Community College
• There’s no indication on the TCC transcript that these credits were earned via CHS, so transfer would be identical to having taken a TCC course.-Tacoma Community College
• Like other courses we offer because they are not identified on the transcript as CHS.-Wenatchee Valley College
• See attached agreement with Shoreline School District and our agreement with the University of Washington.– Shoreline Community College
• This is the information published in our program flier (Everett Community College):

Courses completed can be applied toward a degree or certificate at EvCC, as well as transferred to other institutions. Depending on the institution and the program the student pursues, credits may transfer as direct equivalents to existing courses in the receiving institution or may be transferred as departmental general electives.

Each of the public, four-year colleges/universities within Washington State have agreed to accept transfer credits from this program.

However, EvCC can not guarantee whether the class(es) will meet a college/university's graduation requirements or be accepted by a specific academic department at the college/university. If a student enrolls in the CHS program and also takes and passes an AP exam, colleges will typically accept credits for one or the other but not both. EvCC recommends that you contact the specific college/university admissions office and academic department for clarification (if the student knows the major to be selected). (i.e. The chemistry and biology courses in this program may not be accepted toward a required course in a student's science major; however, they would be accepted as either a general breadth requirement or elective.)

Students planning to attend a private college/university (either in Washington or out-of-state) should speak to the college/university admissions office to clarify whether these transfer credits will be accepted. Although it is uncommon for classes not to transfer, there have been some exceptions. For example, University of Puget Sound and Brigham Young University may not accept this program's credits if the credits are earned while in high school or applied toward meeting the high school graduation requirements. Students may wish to talk to the admissions advisor at the college they plan to attend to be sure the courses will be accepted. (However, some students have been able to convince out-of-state colleges to accept both high school and college credits for the same course if the student obtains an EvCC course syllabus and outline. The student can request these from their high school teacher if needed.)

-Everett Community College

5. Who pays for the course? (student tuition, high school, running start funds)

• The high school covers faculty salary and pays the college $175.00 for each student. No fees are charged to students.- Highline Community College
• See answer to question #3.- Big Bend Community College
• We do not collect any money from the students. In this regard, it is more like a Running Start arrangement. – Bates Technical College
• The high school does get some additional funding from the state because they are getting more than 1 FTE per student (I am not sure how that works, but that is what the high school tells us).- Green River Community College
• TCC charges the high School students $24.00 per credit ($120.00 for 5 credits).-Tacoma Community College
• High School students pay $35.00 per credit. The high school pays the high school teacher and provides textbooks, goods and services. I am pursuing payment for the participating college instructors, who have not been paid so far.- Wenatchee Valley College
• We are charging students $95.00 per quarter for the course. The instructor’s salary is paid by the high school. The instructors are screened by faculty in Mathematics. Math faculty members can receive a stipend to evaluate and mentor the teacher who is teaching the math class. See attached agreement with Shoreline School District and our agreement with the University of Washington. – Shoreline Community College
• Student tuition.– Everett Community College

• TCC has a very small CHS program that consists of just one course. Also, when we developed our policies on this, we relied on a survey that was done by Sue Russell at Everett on this same topic in 1999. One additional comment, originally the idea to pay the college faculty for supervision seemed sound, and initially there was some work for them. Now we do the same thing year after year and they continue to get paid even though the work is near zero. In hindsight, I think we should pay the college faculty for the initial time to review the course and coordinate with the HS, but I don’t see the need to pay them every time it’s offered (or at least pay at a lower rate for ongoing offerings of the same course). But, our program is so small it’s not really any big deal.

• This is a volatile topic in Wenatchee. Many of our faculty insist CHS is an oxymoron. However, we offer CHS using clear procedures based on the guidelines published in Appendix J of the ICRC Handbook. We offer Spanish 102,103, and English 250, Survey of American Lit at WHS. English 101,203, and 230, Survey of British Lit, at Bridgeport. In addition, we are discussing cell biology and public speaking with Chelan HS. CWU offers English classes at Cashmere and Chelan. UW offers French and German at WHS. Questions not asked: Students must satisfy the same placement score requirements as Running Start students. Students enroll at the beginning of the high school term in which they are taking our course.-Wenatchee Valley College
• The CHS program works quite well I think. The faculty involved have mandated faculty control over what happens with the program, and we have our Deans' support so that pretty much everything we do is how we would like the program to be. Basically, the HS teachers are PT teachers for the college. That means they must have the same credentials and curricula as the class the teachers on campus teaching the same class. In reality, then, for chemistry, the only class that we offer at CHS is chem 101 (G of GOB) we also potentially offer 102 (OB of GOB), but almost no one ever applies and/or qualifies for that class. My experience with the HS teachers is very positive, and I enjoy meeting and discussing curricula with them, although it is often difficult to find time to connect. We are required to meet once per term. The HS is as you mentioned on a different schedule. The way it works in chem is the students receive 5 credits of 101 for a 1 year class. The class is called a "two term class" because it spans both terms of the HS calendar. The HS lab facilities vary, but all are sufficient for chem 101 labs. Chem 102 and Gen Chem maybe not. The chemistry CHS program has been running for quite some time, so it's pretty built up. We have something like 225 students involved. Overall, I think it works really well. I have copied this message to our CHS administrator, Karen Landry. She is a SUPER AWESOME resource, and she makes the program great. I can imagine that if you had an annoying or pushy admin. It would make the program less likable, so that is also an important factor. One thing the faculty battled in the past is "pressure" from the top to "take on" teachers for the program simply because they expressed an interest. We battled hard to have a lot of faculty control over the program, and now it works great.– Everett Community College
• As for college in the high school--Yes, EdCC has had this in place for many years. It was started before I came to EdCC, so I was not part of the initial conversations (when all the issues and concerns probably arose).  Overall, I think it is going fairly well and we are fine with it.  One key to it working well is that one member of our department has had 1/3 reassigned time during one quarter (so 1/9 for the year) in compensation for "overseeing" the college-in-the-high school program.  This way there is someone who is a contact person for the high school teachers and someone who is responsible (somewhat) for keeping in touch with what is happening at the high school. This person also makes visits to the high school to observe the class and meet with the instructors (especially if it is a new teacher teaching the calculus class), working with the instructors (again-at least for teachers new to the program) to compare tests and make sure their tests are somewhat comparable to our calculus exams (although we don't have common finals or anything here at EdCC so this isn't real stringent), and helping the teachers obtain any support materials as needed.  A few other things that help make it work--the high school students have to use the same textbook we use here at the college, and at least one of the teachers at the high school also teaches for us part-time at night so he knows our curriculum and expectations.  Another issue to discuss is if you (as a college) will require the high school teacher teaching the course to have the same "qualifications" (i.e. a Master's degree in the subject) as a person needs to teach it at the college.  It turns out this is the reason why we don't offer Chemistry or any other sciences through the college in the high school program--there aren't any high school teachers with a Masters in their subject. In terms of impacting our enrollment--I don't think it has. All of our calculus courses are offered in the mornings, so even running start students may not be able to take the calculus here. Also, in the Edmonds School District, they were already offering AP calculus, so the college in the high school didn't change enrollments--it just is allowing them to earn college credit (some still take the AP test, especially if they plan to go out of state). I am not sure what other (if any) courses are offered.  There are definitely no science courses; there may be English or a foreign language offered.- Edmonds Community College
• Physical Science offers Chemistry 101, Chemistry 140, Chemistry 150 and Physics 114. The AP Chemistry course (at some schools the second year class) counts at Chemistry 140,150. The only chemistry 101 credit we are currently offering is a second year class that emphasizes the lab experience. In the past we have offered chemistry 101 credit for some first year classes. The Physics class is also an AP class. We do require a Masters degree - preferably in the field, but we have hired some with Bachelors in the field and Masters in Science Teaching - with an emphasis in the discipline. We don't have many students enrolled at the present time. The "fee" for each class is $95 and may be raised. I've enjoyed working with the HS faculty and find them dedicated. The lab experience is adequate but not enough time is spent in a year to get the last quarter of Chemistry 160 credit.–Bellevue Community College

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Prepared by Vee Sutherlin, School and College Relations/Recruitment, 4/12/04

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